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A.M. Hickman's avatar

Interesting read, I've never heard of this before. One question I have is: Do they tend to drive automobiles, or are they mostly public transit and bicycle commuters?

I ask because I'm convinced that automobiles are also a fertility inhibitor in some contexts.

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Peter R. Brookes's avatar

very interesting - you'd be best asking Liv on that! Imagine they do given doesn't seem like Amish vibes

I'm interested in the automobile-fertility idea - what's the reasoning there?

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A.M. Hickman's avatar

My thinking has been this: Inasmuch as a family is reliant upon automobiles for their own manner of living, they are forced to accept certain limitations on family size. A standard coupe can only carry three children… after this, they must purchase a minivan that can only carry six at the most. If they should exceed six children, they have to then purchase yet another, larger van, or in the case of truly large families (like my wife’s — she grew up in a household of 14 people) they may even need to buy a bus, or may have to give up on the idea of ever taking the whole family out to the same place together.

In societies where the expenses associated with childrearing are already high, these substantial costs can make a difference and can influence outcomes. Add in the legal requirements of various car seats (three per child from infancy to age 8), seatbelt laws, etc, and I’m convinced that automotive-centric lifestyles have had a depressive impact on TFR.

Certainly, the Amish and Mennonites do not have to think about any of this as their families grow, as large buggies are easy to come by and are basically wholly unregulated…

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Peter R. Brookes's avatar

I think there's definitely something in this - particularly given how tightly it is regulated. Just met a nuclear family of 11 in Texas and they have a bus!

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Sufeitzy's avatar

I recognize the look well. You’ll also notice the black stockings - I worked in a town in this region for almost a decade. The black stocking brigade.

As Germans wear lederhosen, Mexicans serapes, Mormons have undergarments, Scots have kilts, there are very regional garments (down to cities) commonly worn in Holland.

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Philip Primeau's avatar

What are the women wearing across their chests?

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Peter R. Brookes's avatar

I'm not sure, seems to just be a part of their general dress

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